Comments for Stories of Expatriation & Maturation http://wiserblog.wordpress.com A place where all are invited to the table to discuss Hebrew Bible, Ethics, Biblical Studies, Social Justice, Global & Political Issues, Jazz, Coffee, Latin America, Mexico, Theology, The Church, Religion & Society, Philosophy, Marriage, Ministry, Seminary, and anything else that occurs to those of us that want to critique, stimulate, and edify each other as we strive to better an upside-down world. Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:29:43 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Social Constructionism and Imagination as Applied to Biblical Hermeneutics by Marvin Lance Wiser http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/social-constructionism-and-imagination-as-applied-to-biblical-hermeneutics/#comment-285 Marvin Lance Wiser Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:29:43 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=203#comment-285 History has collapsed, objectivity buried in its ruins. . . All that is written or has been said has an agenda behind it, religious or otherwise. History has collapsed, objectivity buried in its ruins. . .

All that is written or has been said has an agenda behind it, religious or otherwise.

]]> Comment on Social Constructionism and Imagination as Applied to Biblical Hermeneutics by A Free Spirit http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/social-constructionism-and-imagination-as-applied-to-biblical-hermeneutics/#comment-284 A Free Spirit Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:34:17 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=203#comment-284 I have an idea for a new sort of biblical (and other religious text) hermeneutic: namely, identifying and extracting all of the passages that could involve the tinge of the writer's or the religion's self-interest. What sort of text would emerge? If you are interested, pls see my post at http://deligentia.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/self-interest-in-religion-and-the-related-conflicts-of-interest/ I have an idea for a new sort of biblical (and other religious text) hermeneutic: namely, identifying and extracting all of the passages that could involve the tinge of the writer’s or the religion’s self-interest. What sort of text would emerge? If you are interested, pls see my post at http://deligentia.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/self-interest-in-religion-and-the-related-conflicts-of-interest/

]]> Comment on Ode to Frida by Yuli http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/ode-to-frida/#comment-239 Yuli Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:43:57 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=885#comment-239 thanks Lance! She will always be part of our history! and I appreciate you being so sweet to me through this. Another reason why I love you! thanks Lance! She will always be part of our history! and I appreciate you being so sweet to me through this. Another reason why I love you!

]]> Comment on To My Wife by cherokeebydesign http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/to-my-wife/#comment-173 cherokeebydesign Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:21:27 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=893#comment-173 Beautiful. Raven http://cherokeebydesign.wordpress.com/ Beautiful.

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]]> Comment on Good-Bye Tlalpan by Ezekiel Nyang'au http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/good-bye-tlalpan/#comment-166 Ezekiel Nyang'au Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:12:04 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=889#comment-166 How can I work with you as I come from Kenya Africa? I'm Pastor Ezekiel Nyang'au. Thanks How can I work with you as I come from Kenya Africa? I’m Pastor Ezekiel Nyang’au. Thanks

]]> Comment on Quote of the Day #12 by alan paron dithers http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/quote-of-the-day-12/#comment-163 alan paron dithers Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:57:09 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=927#comment-163 I thought you might be interested in learning about OUR Jewish traditions which embrace the real Christ. We are the Frankist Association of America. One of our members has a new book out: http://www.amazon.com/Real-Messiah-Throne-Origins-Christianity/dp/1906787123/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245892844&sr=8-1 These are our teachings passed on through generations. If you can't afford the book you can see the website of one of our teachers - http://www.stephanhuller.blogspot.com. Shalom Beth El Jacob Frank I thought you might be interested in learning about OUR Jewish traditions which embrace the real Christ. We are the Frankist Association of America. One of our members has a new book out:

http://www.amazon.com/Real-Messiah-Throne-Origins-Christianity/dp/1906787123/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245892844&sr=8-1

These are our teachings passed on through generations. If you can’t afford the book you can see the website of one of our teachers – http://www.stephanhuller.blogspot.com.

Shalom

Beth El Jacob Frank

]]> Comment on The Refugee by amy o http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/the-refugee/#comment-160 amy o Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:39:31 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=879#comment-160 Here is another video that discusses the UNHCR's Gimme Shelter campaign for World Refugee Day. Ben Affleck and Mick Jagger are involved and its pretty interesting. Some of the facts included are staggering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xgkvf4Ibl Here is another video that discusses the UNHCR’s Gimme Shelter campaign for World Refugee Day. Ben Affleck and Mick Jagger are involved and its pretty interesting. Some of the facts included are staggering.

]]> Comment on 1821-1848 ~ The Monroe Doctrine, Manifest Destiny, & The Mexican-American War by Tim Henderson http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/the-monroe-doctrine-manifest-destiny-the-mexican-american-war/#comment-146 Tim Henderson Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:19:59 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=537#comment-146 You should show the world how we Americans took the land away from Mexico, and about Israel and the Palistine You should show the world how we Americans took the land away from Mexico, and about Israel and the Palistine

]]> Comment on Prop 8, The Sexual Deviant, and The Bible: An Alternative Christian Interpretation by Marvin Lance Wiser http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/prop-8-the-sexual-deviant-and-the-bible-an-alternative-christian-interpretation/#comment-145 Marvin Lance Wiser Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:41:56 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=878#comment-145 Bryan, I understand your frustration in engaging fundamentalists. However, I think the important notion to keep in mind is that we must steer away from imposition. Concerning "selectivity": we all choose what we read; what journals we subscribe to; to which portions we listen to from the sermon; we select our interpretative tradition. Faith and personal interest have and always will be inextricably bound (see the circumstances in which the canon was formed). I think our task at hand is to expose that alternative possibilities, contrary to dominant opinion, do in fact exist. As ministers we should expose and make available. We should be concerned with showing for all to see that the world is not an absolute as it is. An extrapolist of moral and ethical imports would be a good job description of a person engaging with the "sophisticated hermeneutic" to which you referred. My only point of divergence is that much more than "translation" is involved when we speak of a modern or indeed a postmodern context. I would go so far as to describe the process as an imaginative transmutation. The CoC has been for me a tradition full of mixed feelings, blessings and curses- as any tradition carries with it I presume. I encourage you to be an agent of change. For me on the other hand, considering I want to pursue ministry as a vocation, I no longer see it feasible to stay within the tradition that chose me- for obvious reasons. I have now chosen a new one. I have chosen to narrate a different story. Thanks for communicating and playing a part. ~MLW Bryan,
I understand your frustration in engaging fundamentalists. However, I think the important notion to keep in mind is that we must steer away from imposition. Concerning “selectivity”: we all choose what we read; what journals we subscribe to; to which portions we listen to from the sermon; we select our interpretative tradition. Faith and personal interest have and always will be inextricably bound (see the circumstances in which the canon was formed). I think our task at hand is to expose that alternative possibilities, contrary to dominant opinion, do in fact exist. As ministers we should expose and make available. We should be concerned with showing for all to see that the world is not an absolute as it is. An extrapolist of moral and ethical imports would be a good job description of a person engaging with the “sophisticated hermeneutic” to which you referred. My only point of divergence is that much more than “translation” is involved when we speak of a modern or indeed a postmodern context. I would go so far as to describe the process as an imaginative transmutation.

The CoC has been for me a tradition full of mixed feelings, blessings and curses- as any tradition carries with it I presume. I encourage you to be an agent of change. For me on the other hand, considering I want to pursue ministry as a vocation, I no longer see it feasible to stay within the tradition that chose me- for obvious reasons. I have now chosen a new one. I have chosen to narrate a different story. Thanks for communicating and playing a part.

~MLW

]]> Comment on Prop 8, The Sexual Deviant, and The Bible: An Alternative Christian Interpretation by Bryan Tarpley http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/prop-8-the-sexual-deviant-and-the-bible-an-alternative-christian-interpretation/#comment-144 Bryan Tarpley Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:56:34 +0000 http://wiserblog.wordpress.com/?p=878#comment-144 Amen, sir. AMEN. It is SO difficult, however, to have this conversation with a literalist. "But Paul CLEARLY states that..." Argh! Even when you tell them Paul also states that we should greet each other with a holy kiss, and that women should cover their heads, not wear jewelry, etc; they so easily become selective. It's so hard for me to want to stay within the cfC tradition. But if it's ever going to change, it's going to change through our generation. The same resistance to a more sophisticated hermeneutic exists in the field of law. The sentiment is that if you can't interpret a text at face value, then the entire edifice of the law crumbles. The definition of wisdom in hermeneutics, maybe, is the ability to intuit the principle behind the text, and to translate this into a modern context. Amen, sir. AMEN. It is SO difficult, however, to have this conversation with a literalist. “But Paul CLEARLY states that…” Argh! Even when you tell them Paul also states that we should greet each other with a holy kiss, and that women should cover their heads, not wear jewelry, etc; they so easily become selective. It’s so hard for me to want to stay within the cfC tradition. But if it’s ever going to change, it’s going to change through our generation. The same resistance to a more sophisticated hermeneutic exists in the field of law. The sentiment is that if you can’t interpret a text at face value, then the entire edifice of the law crumbles. The definition of wisdom in hermeneutics, maybe, is the ability to intuit the principle behind the text, and to translate this into a modern context.

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